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to all this, i reply:
fnord.
"A serious young man found the conflicts of mid 20th Century America
confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled.
One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate."
He did just as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how would he know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him.
His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his
faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people
walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man was sitting
there was. The second replied "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a shithead."
Hearing this, the man was enlightened."
fnord.
"A serious young man found the conflicts of mid 20th Century America
confusing. He went to many people seeking a way of resolving within himself the discords that troubled him, but he remained troubled.
One night in a coffee house, a self-ordained Zen Master said to him, "go to the dilapidated mansion you will find at this address which I have written down for you. Do not speak to those who live there; you must remain silent until the moon rises tomorrow night. Go to the large room on the right of the main hallway, sit in the lotus position on top of the rubble in the northeast corner, face the corner, and meditate."
He did just as the Zen Master instructed. His meditation was frequently interrupted by worries. He worried whether or not the rest of the plumbing fixtures would fall from the second floor bathroom to join the pipes and other trash he was sitting on. He worried how would he know when the moon rose on the next night. He worried about what the people who walked through the room said about him.
His worrying and meditation were disturbed when, as if in a test of his
faith, ordure fell from the second floor onto him. At that time two people
walked into the room. The first asked the second who the man was sitting
there was. The second replied "Some say he is a holy man. Others say he is a shithead."
Hearing this, the man was enlightened."
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I guess you could say I am a kind of lapsed Catholic, so it seems to me that some people's definition of "repent" is rather juvenile. This is the definition that comes closest to the Catholic notion:
repent:
To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
Obviously this involves more than just saying "Oops sorry for the murders". It means that a person has genuinely, irrevokably changed for the better. Anything short of this cannot be viewed as repentance.
Catholism can be stupid, but it's not THAT stupid.
From a Society perspective, when Believers feel that they can be given a second chance to atone for their sins, this provides a real incentive to become a better citizen. If there was no concept of forgiveness then society would suffer as a result.
repent:
To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
Obviously this involves more than just saying "Oops sorry for the murders". It means that a person has genuinely, irrevokably changed for the better. Anything short of this cannot be viewed as repentance.
Catholism can be stupid, but it's not THAT stupid.
From a Society perspective, when Believers feel that they can be given a second chance to atone for their sins, this provides a real incentive to become a better citizen. If there was no concept of forgiveness then society would suffer as a result.
Where's North from 'ere?
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Hmmmm......this is also open to debate. What about if a murderer or child abuser KNOWS its wrong to do what they are doing and is genuinely sorry and feel guilty and tries not to do it so often but just cant help themselves doing it again? Do they get to go to heaven then?stormwarning wrote: repent:
To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
Obviously this involves more than just saying "Oops sorry for the murders". It means that a person has genuinely, irrevokably changed for the better. Anything short of this cannot be viewed as repentance.
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Well first of all there isn't really a heaven to get into....
If somebody repeats such a crime knowing that it is wrong then they have not truly "repented" in the religious sense. In this situation psychiatric help is of far more use than any bible. That's the thing you see, christianity talks about good and bad, but isn't very tolerant of people who have problems distinguishing between the two. It wasn't too long ago that people with psychiatric problems were believed to be possessed by the devil - medicine has moved on but the Church is lagging behind in that respect.
If somebody repeats such a crime knowing that it is wrong then they have not truly "repented" in the religious sense. In this situation psychiatric help is of far more use than any bible. That's the thing you see, christianity talks about good and bad, but isn't very tolerant of people who have problems distinguishing between the two. It wasn't too long ago that people with psychiatric problems were believed to be possessed by the devil - medicine has moved on but the Church is lagging behind in that respect.
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I'm working with some of the righteous and let me tell you, it ain't all it's cracked up to be.
I always picture heaven like that Twilight Zone episode where the guy(is it Buddy Ebsen?) is hunting with his dog and they won't let his dog in so he won't go--turns out that was hell. Anyway, I think heaven is a lot of different things. If it's all harps and hymns, count me out. But God, as I concieve of him--and there's a whole argument that I can't possibly have any inkling of him--what use would he have for that?
And that concludes my latest exhibition of stupidity and naivete.
I always picture heaven like that Twilight Zone episode where the guy(is it Buddy Ebsen?) is hunting with his dog and they won't let his dog in so he won't go--turns out that was hell. Anyway, I think heaven is a lot of different things. If it's all harps and hymns, count me out. But God, as I concieve of him--and there's a whole argument that I can't possibly have any inkling of him--what use would he have for that?
And that concludes my latest exhibition of stupidity and naivete.
Like me, the "g" is silent.
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In the Greek, the word translated "repent" implies (sorryt o be gross here) vomit and repulsion. As if the evil of your deeds so overwhelms you that it literally makes you sick and causes you to unflinchingly turn away from them and move in the opposite direction.
Saying, "sorry for all the killing," then wouldn't be repentance.
I am not entering an argument about what all this means in terms of theology, but rather making an observation on linguistics. I refuse, as a great American once said, to defend my postion by bitching about it on an EC fan message board.
But when grammar is challenged, watch out.
(How long will it be before someone corrects a bit of grammar in this post?)
Saying, "sorry for all the killing," then wouldn't be repentance.
I am not entering an argument about what all this means in terms of theology, but rather making an observation on linguistics. I refuse, as a great American once said, to defend my postion by bitching about it on an EC fan message board.
But when grammar is challenged, watch out.
(How long will it be before someone corrects a bit of grammar in this post?)
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
--William Shakespeare
--William Shakespeare
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STORMW: Im not going to heaven im going to hell - who wants to be good all the time?....no fun in that!
NOISE: I hope we dont get a teacher on here correcting all our bad grammar or I might have to cease posting due to being kept in at break time to correct it all! Dang it we need a spell check on here!!
NOISE: I hope we dont get a teacher on here correcting all our bad grammar or I might have to cease posting due to being kept in at break time to correct it all! Dang it we need a spell check on here!!
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stormwarning wrote: repent:
To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
Obviously this involves more than just saying "Oops sorry for the murders". It means that a person has genuinely, irrevokably changed for the better. Anything short of this cannot be viewed as repentance.
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Noise, haven't you just reiterated my opinion, but changed the words a little and added a more extreme definition of "repent" (vomit and repulsion vs. remorse and contrition) ? Where's the fun in that ? Blimey, I thought there was more to linguistics than just paraphrasing....noiseradio wrote: In the Greek, the word translated "repent" implies (sorryt o be gross here) vomit and repulsion. As if the evil of your deeds so overwhelms you that it literally makes you sick and causes you to unflinchingly turn away from them and move in the opposite direction.
Saying, "sorry for all the killing," then wouldn't be repentance
I am not entering an argument about what all this means in terms of theology, but rather making an observation on linguistics. I refuse, as a great American once said, to defend my postion by bitching about it on an EC fan message board.
But when grammar is challenged, watch out.
Where's North from 'ere?
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It was a pressure and a plividge noise.
Gilli, I've got a US LP of TYM and it has a different shot. He's sort of crouched behind the camera, holding it, with his mouth just behind it. Do you have that one? Was that the standard US issue, anybody know? It's in mint condition, though I wouldn't sell it or anything.
Gilli, I've got a US LP of TYM and it has a different shot. He's sort of crouched behind the camera, holding it, with his mouth just behind it. Do you have that one? Was that the standard US issue, anybody know? It's in mint condition, though I wouldn't sell it or anything.
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CLIP----------------------no way...I can't believe I wrote that...I must have been way too bored. must repent for my bad taste...noiseradio wrote:In the Greek, the word translated "repent" implies (sorryt o be gross here) vomit and repulsion.
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BAMBOO: I have four 8x10"photos in all from the TYM photoshoot. Two of them are in different poses with the camera and the other 2 are him on his own posing. I assume these are from the same photo shoot as he is wearing the same suit and shirt. Probably they took a series of different photos and chose the best.
I also have the old LP version of TYM bought when it was released way back then.
I also have the old LP version of TYM bought when it was released way back then.
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I hope someday to take up Baptist preaching, so I can have them all barfing up sins. My church would have to be some sort of utilitarian hose-out affair...
I hope someday to take up Baptist preaching, so I can have them all barfing up sins. My church would have to be some sort of utilitarian hose-out affair...
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EC: "Got any other background colours?"
Studio assistant: "No, only monkey-shit brown."
EC: "Ok, that'll just have to do".
Studio assistant: "No, only monkey-shit brown."
EC: "Ok, that'll just have to do".